[Advocate Play Ogg] Ask YouTube for Ogg support!

[Daniel Hendrycks]

Awesome, my petition is being shown to all these followers!

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[Ted Smith]

Are there other petitions that just mention HTML5 or h.264? Looking at
the polls from that link it seems absurd for Google to claim that h.264
satisfies the demands - all the polls, even the ones Google has closed,
name Ogg explicitly.

Post by Daniel Hendrycks
Awesome, my petition is being shown to all these followers!

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:30:04 -0500

Post by Ted Smith
Are there other petitions that just mention HTML5 or h.264? Looking at
the polls from that link it seems absurd for Google to claim that
h.264 satisfies the demands - all the polls, even the ones Google has
closed, name Ogg explicitly.

Vimeo.com says they are "forced" to use h264 because:

"The simple fact is right now h264 allows us the most flexibility to
display on many devices and many players with the same file. When that
changes, so will we."

http://vimeo.com/blog:268

Check the table here:
http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html#what-works

In order to persuade video sharing websites to use Ogg, I guess we
need Safari,iPhone and Android to support Ogg.

[Oleg Koptev]

Post by Federico Bruni
In order to persuade video sharing websites to use Ogg, I guess we
need Safari,iPhone and Android to support Ogg.

IE?

[Jaime Alberto Silva]

I just can't believe it's so hard to get an open, well documented standard
with free code as ogg, implemented in those web browsers: Safari, iPhone,
Android, etc.

Jaime Alberto Silva Colorado
Gerente
SG Automatización Ltda.
Pereira \ Risaralda \ Colombia
http://www.sgautomatizacion.com

Post by Federico Bruni
In order to persuade video sharing websites to use Ogg, I guess we

Post by Federico Bruni
need Safari,iPhone and Android to support Ogg.

IE?
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With respect, Oleg Koptev

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:25:27 +0300

Post by Federico Bruni
In order to persuade video sharing websites to use Ogg, I guess we
need Safari,iPhone and Android to support Ogg.

IE?

IE does not support HTML5, so no codec problem yet ;-)
Anyway, I *think* there's a plugin to play ogg
(I've never used IE)

[Holmes Wilson]

Post by Federico Bruni
In order to persuade video sharing websites to use Ogg, I guess we
need Safari,iPhone and Android to support Ogg.

Hah, well not necessarily. These sites already encode to a ton of
different formats. Youtube still uses the h.263 sorenson spark codec
for compatibility with old versions of Flash, right?

The issue is that supporting Ogg costs them money and doesn'tget them
anything new.

Really what we need is a new segment of users or a sexy product that
doesn't have h.264 and can't install Flash. And in the meantime we need
people who don't want to use h.264 or Flash to make as much noise as
possible, which might work in and of itself.

It might be a good move to make a page that says something like "Hey
Youtube, that's not what we asked for!" and accuse them of only
listening to what they wanted to hear.

Would anyone like to work on that?

-Holmes

[Jeff Shippen]

Lets not forget, competition plays a big role in getting the big players
to submit to user demands. I typed in http://oggtube.com to see if
anything was there, and wow, what an exciting site for open source
community.

I watched Lady Gaga - Poker Face. Sound quality was crackly though.

Watched a video from the retro section, and sound quality seemed fine.
http://oggtv.com/OLDSCHOOL_BANK1/VIDEO4/HTML5%***@30%29.html

I don't know that you can really call this site a competitor to youtube,
since you can not upload your own videos, and I haven't been able to
find a search feature either. It's more of a stumble upon for the videos.

It does have HTML 5 and Ogg support, also, some Linux and Open Source
publicity on the home page.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that even with the shortcomings, it
has quite a potential. Seems to be a nice site if you want to watch
popular music videos.

Jeff Shippen

[John Abbott]

They have choked off anything that speaks to OGG, HTML5. You get this
flag now.

Your idea looks similar to some ideas already submitted. Please vote for
the idea you think is best.

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
*<http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
*<http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[Marghanita da Cruz]

It should be noted that YouTube accepts
video in Ogg format, which it converts
to flash. The problem isn't
Google/Youtube as much as
Browsers/Plugins.

In January 2009, I created three clips
in Kino and exported them as Ogg, which
were automatically converted during the
upload to youtube:
<http://ramin.com.au/linux/web-video-formats.shtml>

I have also provided Ogg background
audio on these pages (works in
firefox/linux - but not reliably on
other platforms..

you should hear a bird call here:
<http://ramin.com.au/annandale/eco-annandale-2010.shtml>

you should hear a frogs here:
<http://www.ramin.com.au/annandale/whitescreek.shtml>

Marghanita

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[Holmes Wilson]

Well, if youtube wanted to they could push a button and get 80% of
internet users to switch browsers or install an Ogg Theora plugin for
their browser (by dropping Flash and switching to Ogg).

Or they could make it so that 95% of video available on the internet was
available in Ogg (by encoding to Ogg as one of the many different
formats they support).

They're arguably in bigger position to have an impact than Microsoft is
with IE, and even though it would cost them much more than it would cost
Microsoft to take this step, they're probably much easier to persuade.

Post by Marghanita da Cruz
It should be noted that YouTube accepts
video in Ogg format, which it converts
to flash. The problem isn't
Google/Youtube as much as
Browsers/Plugins.
In January 2009, I created three clips
in Kino and exported them as Ogg, which
were automatically converted during the
<http://ramin.com.au/linux/web-video-formats.shtml>
I have also provided Ogg background
audio on these pages (works in
firefox/linux - but not reliably on
other platforms..
<http://ramin.com.au/annandale/eco-annandale-2010.shtml>
<http://www.ramin.com.au/annandale/whitescreek.shtml>
Marghanita

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[Ville Salminen]

For me, It's enough that they support it, I wont really care if they still
support the others.

Well, if youtube wanted to they could push a button and get 80% of internet
users to switch browsers or install an Ogg Theora plugin for their browser
(by dropping Flash and switching to Ogg).
Or they could make it so that 95% of video available on the internet was
available in Ogg (by encoding to Ogg as one of the many different formats
they support).
They're arguably in bigger position to have an impact than Microsoft is
with IE, and even though it would cost them much more than it would cost
Microsoft to take this step, they're probably much easier to persuade.

Post by Marghanita da Cruz
It should be noted that YouTube accepts
video in Ogg format, which it converts
to flash. The problem isn't
Google/Youtube as much as
Browsers/Plugins.
In January 2009, I created three clips
in Kino and exported them as Ogg, which
were automatically converted during the
<http://ramin.com.au/linux/web-video-formats.shtml>
I have also provided Ogg background
audio on these pages (works in
firefox/linux - but not reliably on
other platforms..
<http://ramin.com.au/annandale/eco-annandale-2010.shtml>
<http://www.ramin.com.au/annandale/whitescreek.shtml>
Marghanita

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[Alexandro Colorado]

I would like to point out that most of the html5 / ogg theora posts have been labeled as 'answered' however the answer only focus themselves on HTML5. Please we need an answer for OGG so dont put 2 or 3 ideas together because you give the chance the responder to focus on whatever he likes and dismiss the other 2.

Well, if youtube wanted to they could push a button and get 80% of internet
users to switch browsers or install an Ogg Theora plugin for their browser
(by dropping Flash and switching to Ogg).
Or they could make it so that 95% of video available on the internet was
available in Ogg (by encoding to Ogg as one of the many different formats
they support).
They're arguably in bigger position to have an impact than Microsoft is with
IE, and even though it would cost them much more than it would cost
Microsoft to take this step, they're probably much easier to persuade.

Post by Marghanita da Cruz
It should be noted that YouTube accepts
video in Ogg format, which it converts
to flash. The problem isn't
Google/Youtube as much as
Browsers/Plugins.
In January 2009, I created three clips
in Kino and exported them as Ogg, which
were automatically converted during the
<http://ramin.com.au/linux/web-video-formats.shtml>
I have also provided Ogg background
audio on these pages (works in
firefox/linux - but not reliably on
other platforms..
<http://ramin.com.au/annandale/eco-annandale-2010.shtml>
<http://www.ramin.com.au/annandale/whitescreek.shtml>
Marghanita

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

_______________________________________________
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http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

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-----Original Message-----
From: Holmes Wilson <***@fsf.org>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:55:39
To: <***@ramin.com.au>
Cc: <***@playogg.org>; <playogg-***@playogg.org>
Subject: Re: [playogg-discuss] Re: [Advocate Play Ogg] Ask YouTube for Ogg
support!

Well, if youtube wanted to they could push a button and get 80% of
internet users to switch browsers or install an Ogg Theora plugin for
their browser (by dropping Flash and switching to Ogg).

Or they could make it so that 95% of video available on the internet was
available in Ogg (by encoding to Ogg as one of the many different
formats they support).

They're arguably in bigger position to have an impact than Microsoft is
with IE, and even though it would cost them much more than it would cost
Microsoft to take this step, they're probably much easier to persuade.

Post by Marghanita da Cruz
It should be noted that YouTube accepts
video in Ogg format, which it converts
to flash. The problem isn't
Google/Youtube as much as
Browsers/Plugins.
In January 2009, I created three clips
in Kino and exported them as Ogg, which
were automatically converted during the
<http://ramin.com.au/linux/web-video-formats.shtml>
I have also provided Ogg background
audio on these pages (works in
firefox/linux - but not reliably on
other platforms..
<http://ramin.com.au/annandale/eco-annandale-2010.shtml>
<http://www.ramin.com.au/annandale/whitescreek.shtml>
Marghanita

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
***@playogg.org
http://l

[Sean Robinson]

Obviously pushing a different format, particularly when trying to establish a
new standard, especially when another is greatly entrenched as the de facto
standard, is a difficult proposition. Look at how much effort has been made to
establish Ogg Vorbis as the Free alternative to MP3. Sure there has been
progress, but it is undeniable that Vorbis remains an _alternative_, not a
common equivalent.

What we need is a Free Hardware decoder/encoder chipset for Ogg Vorbis and
Theora. After all, encoding/decoding in dedicated hardware is much faster and
less computationally and battery costly than doing the equivalent in software on
a generic processor. Work in this direction has been made.
http://wiki.xiph.org/Theora_Hardware http://wiki.xiph.org/Vorbis_Hardware
However there is no finished, mature standard chipset that all manufacturers
could be using.

I propose that we:
-establish such a standard Ogg chipset;
-introduce it to manufacturers that already support Ogg as a better choice;
-heavily promote it to other hardware manufacturers;
-have users request it from all manufacturers;
-introduce subsidizing to make using the chipset more attractive.

[Amy Wilson]

Post by Marghanita da Cruz

Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.

I'm assuming Gnash support would be just as exclusionary? I'm a Chrome
user (it's a hardware thing -- my desktop is too slow to deal with
Firefox and its memory bugs), and by default it's using Gnash for
YouTube playback. I'm sure that Google could enforce ogg video and
audio whilst still using the flash interface, fulling supporting Gnash.

The Adobe Flash users wouldn't even know! \o/

----- Original message -----
From: "Holmes Wilson" <holmes-***@public.gmane.org>
To: marghanita-***@public.gmane.org
Cc: advocate-***@public.gmane.org, playogg-discuss-***@public.gmane.org
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:55:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [playogg-discuss] Re: [Advocate Play Ogg] Ask YouTube for
Ogg support!

Well, if youtube wanted to they could push a button and get 80% of
internet users to switch browsers or install an Ogg Theora plugin for
their browser (by dropping Flash and switching to Ogg).

Or they could make it so that 95% of video available on the internet was
available in Ogg (by encoding to Ogg as one of the many different
formats they support).

They're arguably in bigger position to have an impact than Microsoft is
with IE, and even though it would cost them much more than it would cost
Microsoft to take this step, they're probably much easier to persuade.

Post by Marghanita da Cruz
It should be noted that YouTube accepts
video in Ogg format, which it converts
to flash. The problem isn't
Google/Youtube as much as
Browsers/Plugins.
In January 2009, I created three clips
in Kino and exported them as Ogg, which
were automatically converted during the
<http://ramin.com.au/linux/web-video-formats.shtml>
I have also provided Ogg background
audio on these pages (works in
firefox/linux - but not reliably on
other platforms..
<http://ramin.com.au/annandale/eco-annandale-2010.shtml>
<http://www.ramin.com.au/annandale/whitescreek.shtml>
Marghanita

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Post by Amy Wilson

Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.

I'm assuming Gnash support would be just as exclusionary? I'm a Chrome
user (it's a hardware thing -- my desktop is too slow to deal with
Firefox and its memory bugs), and by default it's using Gnash for
YouTube playback. I'm sure that Google could enforce ogg video and
audio whilst still using the flash interface, fulling supporting Gnash.
The Adobe Flash users wouldn't even know! \o/

<snip>

I spent some time on the HTML5 public
list - mainly to advocate the inclusion
of Ogg in the specification. This would
have meant that to be compliant,
browsers would need to support Ogg (out
of the box). This would mean
Ogg/Theora/Vorbis could end up like JPG
a standard.

However, there was some FUDD around the
Theora decoder license and it was deemed
too risky. So, now no video format is
specified. H.264 and Ogg are both optional.

However, H.264 is closed source and Ogg
Theora is open source - as I understand
it both H.264 would be problematic for
Firefox (so you would need a plugin
either free or paid for) and Ogg Theora
is problematic for closed source Safari,
IE etc.
Chrome is interesting as it is server
side - but I also it is closed source.
Flash is ofcourse free closed source
software.

Please correct me if I have this wrong -
particularly the closed/open source issue.

Marghanita
PS I haven't had overly positive
feedback on Ogg theora plugin working in
firefox or IE on Windows.

[Magnus Johansson]

Hello!

I tried submitting a vote for free and open formats at Google via a Google
account, but I failed due to "Parsing error". Google seems to need technical
help and consultation.

Sincerely,
Magnus Johansson


----- Original Message -----
From: "Holmes Wilson" <holmes-***@public.gmane.org>
To: <advocate-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 10:42 PM
Subject: [Advocate Play Ogg] Ask YouTube for Ogg support!

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[|| ΣΖΟ ||]

What website is next?

Vimeo.com? they are also hyping their new html5 player... they also
should play OGG

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg.  Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one.  You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[matthew2001]

take me ofof plz

-Thanks!
Matthew

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

[Larry Siden]

Done. Thanks!

Larry Siden, 734-926-9614, http://umich.edu/~lsiden

The United States is a nation of laws, badly written and randomly enforced.
--Frank Zappa 1940-1993

Hi everyone,
This piece of Ogg activism is getting some traffic on identi.ca and
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
People are voting for Google to offer HTML5/Ogg video support on
YouTube, in Google's own product ideas voting space.
YouTube is, obviously, the largest source of videos in the world by
far, so keeping pressure on Google to support web standards and free
formats (over proprietary formats like Flash) is really important.
Google has closed the window on HTML5 feedback, saying that peoples'
voices have been heard. Notably absent is any mention of Ogg. Google
leaving Ogg out of the picture here makes sense, because it would be
very easy for them to offer HTML5/h264 videos that play in Chrome and
Safari, while still excluding free formats and users of free browsers
like Firefox and Icecat.
It also means that, from our point of view anyway, votes for Ogg
Theora support are still welcome. PlayOgg can play an important role
here by stressing free formats.
If you don't already have a Google account, please don't let this
encourage you to make one. You can call YouTube at 650-253-0000 and
make the same request there.
Make your voice heard!
* <http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg>
Holmes Wilson
Campaigns Manager
Free Software Foundation
_______________________________________________
Advocate mailing list
http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate